How does Raleigh stack up against MLB Expansion Front-Runners: Nashville & Salt Lake City?

With the MLB season over, it’s time we start digging a little more into the expansion landscape. What regions will MLB be targeting when they add 2 new teams and how do we stack up?

Let’s dive in…

First, let’s set the stage. MLB wants to add 2 new teams. Most insiders believe they want to add one in the East and one in the West. At this moment, the presumed front-runners are Salt Lake City in the West and Nashville in the East.

Since Raleigh’s direct competition will be Nashville, let’s focus on them… When they launched (2019), Nashville was the first money-backed venture on the East Coast, vaulting them into front-runner status. But are they really the best East Coast market for MLB expansion?

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Let’s first look at market metrics.

POPULATION:
To have a thriving MLB franchise you need to fill seats, and to do that, you need a strong population base.

While Nashville’s national brand might have you think they’re the larger market, they actually are not.

So we’re bigger, but for MLB teams, it’s media market that drives revenue.

MEDIA MARKET:
Luckily for us, we’re ahead there as well. Our media market ranks #22 overall, while Nashville’s comes in at #27.

Meanwhile, NC has 4 Top-50 media markets, while Tennessee has just one.

VISITORS:
Now for the real shock. Wake County had more visitors (17.8M) in 2022 than Nashville (14.4M).

Yes, Nashville’s visitor spend is massive, but remember they also have NFL, MLS, NASCAR, MiLB & one of the largest music streets in America for folks to spend their money.

BILLIONAIRE INVESTORS:
Tom Dundon has stepped up to lead the push here in NC, while Nashville has yet to name one. In fact, they told the NYPost…

“I’m not sure that we need a billionaire investor to make this thing happen.”

Maybe not, but that would be unprecedented.


If you’re not going to have a billionaire, then you’re likely going to have to rely heavily on public funding.

But that’s no sure bet in Nashville either.

The city just approved funding for a $1.2 billion NFL stadium, & that’s on the heels of $257 million for an MLS stadium.

n fact, the NYPost said this…

“Since the city of Nashville has helped fund a new Titans & MLS stadium, the political will to throw public dollars behind another stadium doesn’t exist. Loar brought up the possibility that the state could help, but they can’t bank on that.”

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So while Nashville may have celebrity endorsements & a more notable national brand, behind the scenes, the Raleigh market looks stronger in almost every metric.

And if the NYPost reporting is correct, Dundon’s NC push may actually be the option with more legs & fewer barriers.

But we still have a long way to go until teams are awarded.

Things could/will change for all of the expansion hopefuls.

However, at this very moment, despite the media narrative, Raleigh may actually be the market best positioned to land an MLB franchise.

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Pro Sports Expansion in Raleigh: We’ve been here before

Tom Dundon wanting to bring MLB to Raleigh feels like unchartered territory, but we’ve been in a similar situation before. Let’s go back to 1996, when a ‘New Raleigh arena begins hunting for pro sports franchises.’

What did the Raleigh-Durham landscape look like in 1996? The population was about 1 million strong (for the Triangle Metro). The two smallest US markets in the NHL at the time were San Jose (1,474,000) and Hartford (825,000), but Hartford was failing.

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But the Hartford Whalers were poised to move. They had recently been sold and continued to have issues with low attendance and inability to recruit corporate sponsorship.

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Raleigh would be absolutely CRAZY to think an NHL team would work in this market. The only smaller NHL market was in the process of failing and Raleigh was a sleepy city with no hockey roots. Plus, there were much better markets that wanted a team.

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This is why Raleigh went the ‘realistic’ route at first & started courting minor league hockey to share, what is now PNC Arena with NC State basketball.

However, the Whalers stadium deals broke down and they announced their departure before they had found a new location.

In a unique turn of events, Raleigh found themselves with funded plans for a brand new arena and an NHL team that was currently homeless. Fate had showed it’s hand, and Raleigh made it’s pitch.

It worked.

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But just because they got a team, didn’t mean they’d be able to keep them.

The Canes struggled to attract fans for years, but a Stanley Cup in 2006 gave them new life.

However, even that magic wore off by 2014/15 when attendance dropped back down to near the bottom of the NHL.

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Did NHL fail in Raleigh? Was this the end?

It might have been if they weren’t sold in 2018.

That’s when they were purchased by a guy who had new ideas, was willing to put a real product on the ice, & was coming in during the Triangle’s growth boom.

That owner was Tom Dundon.

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Over the next few years, the Hurricanes attendance began to tick upwards.

In 2021 they finished 9th in the NHL and just last season the Canes hit #2 in the NHL in average. attendance.

They had made it.

Raleigh was becoming an actual hockey market.

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Flash forward to the present.

Raleigh is a potential expansion option for MLB, where you will not be the smallest market.

Where you have a rich state history with the sport.

In a time when we are now the 2nd fastest-growing metro in the country.

But no expansion market is going to be perfect. There will be hurdles and it will take outside-the-box thinking to make it work.

If only you could find a willing billionaire owner who had experience with this type of thing

Oh…

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All this to say…hockey will survive (and currently thrive) in the Raleigh for at least 50 years.

We get the Skyhawks and Bullfrogs and other minor of the minor leagues have folded…but the near apples to apples comparison has WORKED.

December 8, 2023 Making the Case Comments Off on Pro Sports Expansion in Raleigh: We’ve been here before

AXIOS: The quiet effort to bring MLB to Raleigh

On Oct. 3rd, AXIOS News shared some breaking info in their “The quiet effort to bring MLB to Raleigh” piece.

The report stated that:

“A group of consultants and state officials have been working behind the scenes for about six months on a pitch to bring an MLB team to the Raleigh market, a source with knowledge of the work tells Axios.”

If you read between the lines of what Hurricane’s owner Tom Dundon said when he announced that he wanted to lead a group to bring MLB to North Carolina, you would have gotten this notion when he laid out this quote…

“I am not the only one interested in making this happen.”

So what is really going on? Who is involved? And how real is this thing?

Well, we’re here to tell you that it’s very much real. The major players who need to be involved are involved and what really is going on, is that North Carolina leaders, consultants, us here are MLB Raleigh and Tom Dundon’s team are working together towards a common goal of bringing Major League Baseball here to North Carolina.

Stay tuned, because the real fun has just begun.

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Hurricane’s owner Tom Dundon says he will lead a group to bring MLB to North Carolina

Tom Dundon (Owner of the Carolina Hurricanes) went public with the plan to “lead a group to put our best foot forward to get a Major League Baseball team in North Carolina’ … and he’s specifically targeting Raleigh.

Tom Dundon made the announcement on The North Carolina Sports Network, saying this:

“I will lead a group to put our best foot forward to get a Major League Baseball team in North Carolina,”

“Now that the Hurricanes have a new lease all the way into 2044, now that we got the (PNC Arena) deal done, I want to try to bring another major asset to North Carolina.”

“I know I’m biased, but I think Raleigh is the best place in the country for a new MLB team. And when I say that, I think we have the facts to back that up.”

“I am not the only one interested in making this happen,”

“This is about the state of North Carolina: fans, businesses, the authorities. We, as a group, can work together and show why this is the best place to put a Major League Baseball team in the future.”

“The demographics are clearly on our side. I think the commitments from fans, the business community, and the authorities are also there. Now we just gotta go tell that story and show everybody else what we already know to be true.”

A few days later he was interviewed on The OG. Here is that video:

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If the North Carolina MLB lands in Raleigh, what happens to the Durham Bulls?

We fully expect this to be the question on most people’s minds, and rightfully so. We’ll preface by saying, we love the Bulls and believe this can be a win-win for all.

In short, the Bulls aren’t going anywhere.

Prior to last year, within the 218 pages of The Official Professional Baseball Rules Book was Rule 52; Major and Minor League Territorial Rights. While we’re sure you’d love to dig into the nitty-gritty, here is a brief synopsis and series of events that would happen if Raleigh were to get an MLB franchise.

That rule stated that all higher-level teams are granted territorial rights. Whether it’s Single-A versus Double-A or MLB versus MiLB, the top tier gets full rights. If Raleigh were to get a franchise, they would have had the rights to Wake County and the surrounding territory.

With Rule 52, Raleigh would have been able to come in and gain territorial rights, but last year Rule 52 was removed from the rule book.

That said, nothing changes for Raleigh. Territorial rights are now a lot more vague in the rule book but are loosely defined by county lines. At the end of the day, the same rules apply in our case.

So why did MLB remove Rule 52?

Well, they haven’t said, but if you watch what has been going on, you can start to understand.

In 2021 MLB essentially took over Minor League Baseball, which was operating as its own entity. They came in and restructured things, eliminating a few teams and restructuring things in a way where each franchise’s top four affiliates will include one team apiece at Triple-A, Double-A, high-A, and low-A.

After doing that, MLB said that big league teams would be an average of 200 miles closer to their Triple-A affiliates, allowing most to be within driving distance of their parent team.

So how has that played out?

We did a full Twitter (X) thread on this. Check it out…

In short, the last two AAA teams that were added were within 23 miles of their MLB affiliate. (St. Paul Saints/Twins & Sugar Land/Astros) and if the Oakland/Vegas deal goes through, it would make a third, with the Aviators being just 12 miles from the proposed stadium site in Vegas.

MLB said this would be their new strategy and you’re seeing them put that into action. So if Raleigh were to be awarded a team, there would eventually be the option for the Bulls to change affiliates and become the AAA franchise of the Raleigh-based team.

But this strategy is brand new. How do we know it will work? Is there any historical precedence?

There is. Let’s take a look at Seattle.

The Mariners’ Triple-A franchise lies just under 30 miles away in Tacoma, WA, creating a situation much like the one we’d face in the Triangle if Raleigh were to get an MLB team.

The Tacoma Rainiers were founded in 1960 as the Tacoma Giants and played in the Pacific Coast League (Triple-A). In 1977 the Seattle Mariners joined MLB as an expansion team and set up shop just under 30 miles from Tacoma’s ballpark. In 1980 Seattle’s population was checking in at 493,846 (Raleigh’s current population is 464,758); The two have coexisted with no problems and have done well in attendance rankings over the years.

This past season, the Mariners ranked 14th out of 30 MLB teams in attendance (averaging over 28k per game), while the Tacoma Rainiers ranked 30th out of 160 MiLB teams.

Meanwhile, the Durham Bulls remain a Top-10 team year in and year out in MiLB attendance rankings. These numbers suggest, that with our area’s projected growth and their proven popularity, the Bulls could remain in Durham, while Raleigh welcomes a new MLB team.

November 21, 2023 Making the Case Comments Off on If the North Carolina MLB lands in Raleigh, what happens to the Durham Bulls?

The Triangle’s population is already in line with MLB markets and growing faster

What if we told you that in 15 years, the Triangle would bypass every small-market MLB metro in population? Would you believe us?

Well, it’s true & it’s time we talk about it.

Today, the Triangle population sits at 2,148,648, right in the middle of small-market baseball. Above Milwaukee & Cleveland, and just below KC, Cincy & Pittsburgh. MLB is already viable here, but MLB isn’t investing for today…

MLB is investing in the future, and that’s where The Triangle stands out. Our metro area is growing FAST! According to the 15-year growth projections of each market, the Triangle will rank above all of MLB’s small-market metros by 2037 (moving us just behind St. Louis).

If those numbers are blowing your mind, you’re not alone. Measuring our population in comparison with other metros that support MLB sounds easy. But thanks to arbitrary definitions that don’t take into consideration the Triangle’s unique setup, it’s actually quite complicated…

The stat most used to measure the population size of a ‘market’ is called MSA (metro statistical area). MSA boundaries are based on ‘commute interchange’ or how many people commute into your area. The unique setup of The Triangle, with RTP in the middle, skews this stat.

But as you’ve begun to see, the secret is getting out.

We were a finalist for Amazon HQ and landed Apple’s East Coast Campus. Our college sports teams continue to set attendance records, the Bulls continue to finish top 15 in MiLB & the Canes finished 2nd in the NHL.

This market has been a hidden gem for decades, and people are finally starting to take note … Just in time for us to introduce ourselves to the world with a loud and compelling pitch for an MLB franchise. 

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